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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:30 pm by Meeuw

Thanks for the compliment Yannick!

That's why I use an '53 AU although I really fancy the 51 2cvA that's up for sale at leboncoin.fr..... Is anyone interested in the '56 or '57 that the owner also sells? Wink He asks 2500 Euro for the lot.....

Anyway; I'm still looking for photo's, articles, papers of the car
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject:

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:17 am by dule

what about the rims? will you try to fabricate replica of those also?

these just look too bad - mehari/ami super rim with a big hole in the center

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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject:

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:40 pm by Meeuw

The 'original' rims are believed to be from a Rosengart LR4-N2 (model 1938).

I'am searching for these rims but they are verry difficult to obtain. Neutral

If anyone knows where to find a carbreaker in France with pre war cars I'll be verry happy to know!
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject:

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:11 pm by Rossero

I really don't know whats said in this forum but I do know that the topic starter has them, and doesn't/didn't know what kind of rims they were. So I don't think he'll be using them. Maybe he still has them, and wants to sell them.

http://www.forum-auto.com/automobiles-mythiques-exception/section5/sujet381147.htm
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:56 am by Meeuw

Okay, here's an update on my research for the real measurements of the Barbot Speciale.

Funny how many people think it's based on an original 2cv chassis with only some minor adjustments Rolling Eyes ....... Barbot really did a marvellous job!

I got the outer dimensions about right. The only problem is the bonnet. It's flattened in lenth but also curved in width an the problem lies in the steep angle of the front. Somehow Barbot has welded extra material and extra curves in the front area but from the pictures and renderings I can't see how..... But saturday I'll receive a ripplebonnet that I can cut to pieces Very Happy

Anyway, here's the render.

On the inside there's a whole other story Exclamation . I know how much the chassis is lowered and (according to my computer) the body fits well. But maybe mr. DePontac did the same as Barbot did a few years earlier?

The following pictures are from the chassis of the DePontac from 1955..... (Yes, it's a 130Km/h, 2cv, 425/500cc with double carb RAF manifold!) It is also lowered, obviously adapted, and made from a central tube with sidebars for strength and the attachment of the suspension..... Does anybody have a suggestion what Barbot could have done?

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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:47 am by JuanNavarro

Are the lateral bars some kind of torsion springs? Shocked

Never seen this unique frame before
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject:

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:55 am by Meeuw

Don't know if there's some kind of torsion bar....

On the second picture you'll see that the right frontwheel is placed upon a wooden block, thus moving the right rearwheel downward. It reacts just like an original 2cv.

If the lateral bar reacted like a torsion spring than the apereance of the lateral bar on the right side of the chassis had to be different. I think the lateral bars are an extra support for the fiberglass body.

But your idea is not so bad. Just look at the connection between the lateral bars and the suspension arms. There is some kind of round 'pot'..... Could be the housing of a winded flat spring? (just like the one in an old watch Wink ) Old 20's and 30's racecars used to have something like that...... (see my quick sketch)

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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:42 pm by Meeuw

Update on the Barbot project Very Happy

Today I've found the 4 rims for the Barbot Speciale. They are exactly the style Barbot used but they have to be slightly modified to fit on the car (5 holes instead of 3). Dimensions are 17x3.25, diameter 470. Barbot used a different diameter rim so these could be the one!

Now I'am only looking for the right tyres Rolling Eyes

And this is the steering wheel I collected; Quillery 425mm (needing some TLC)

And the centerpiece:

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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:38 pm by SamClukkers

Are those the wheels from Switzerland? Anyway, they seem to be in pretty good condition, which is the most important.
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:52 pm by Meeuw

Hi Sam,

Yes indeed they are! Very Happy

I'am still fiddling with the tyre diametre (470mm instead of 400mm?) but they surely look like the real thing!

I do not know yet when to collect them but in the next weeks I'll surely drive to Switzerland to pick them up!
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:49 pm by Meeuw

Hi Bjorn,

No it was not me on the ice, although I frequently visit 'De Eend' (what's in a name Laughing ). At that time I was working on my white deuche. Bought the car destroyed by fire and rebuild it this winter from the ground up......

Now I'm working on the Barbot project:

Reshaping the bonnet. No extra sheetmetal, only cutting and re-forming by hand or hammer.

Compared to the fenders: Almost flat enough but still I have to find an extra 30mm for decreasing the 'bulb' in the middle of the bonnet. Fenders are not tilted backwards yet.

Fancy a little metalwork? The grille was completely bend and dented... Cost me 2 days to repair it all to an reasonable standard

And the original. Look how flat the bonnet is and how steep the angle from bonnet to grille

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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject:

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:40 pm by Markus

are you sure, that the top of the bonnet is made out of the original 2cv bonnet? The ribbles look smaler and of course more. Perhaps they used a AU roof or - like dagonet - plastic?
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject:

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:43 pm by Meeuw

markus wrote:
are you sure, that the top of the bonnet is made out of the original 2cv bonnet? The ribbles look smaler and of course more. Perhaps they used a AU roof or - like dagonet - plastic?

Hi Markus,

I'm 100% sure! As you see on the pictures I've cut the bonnet, removed the hinge and side panels. It is on a mold right now but the bonnet deformed exactly as I wanted and without much pressure. Call it an 'aha erlebnis' Wink

The 'smaller' look is confusing but the end of the bonnet is widened with sheetmetal by 75mm at both sides (120mm instead of 105mm). This is becouse the A-pillar is vertical instead of angled...

Your remark about an AU is verry clever though...... The waitinglist for an A at that time was 6 years and for an AU only 1 year...... Hence the shortened chassis it could be that Barbot used AU's for both cars... (where the second one was produced in only 2 months!)
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject:

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:57 pm by Markus

The idea with the AU roof came out by wathing the picture of the barbots front. The area where the ribbles end - to the grille - looks like the ribbles were cut off and not as smooth as on the original bonnet. Also the amount of ribbels seems to be more (11 long ribbels instead of 8 from the middle). But the quality of the old pictures is poor for such details. But you did great job. Congratulations
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Meeuw · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject:

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:03 pm by Meeuw

markus wrote:
The idea with the AU roof came out by wathing the picture of the barbots front. The area where the ribbles end - to the grille - looks like the ribbles were cut off and not as smooth as on the original bonnet. Also the amount of ribbels seems to be more (11 long ribbels instead of 8 from the middle). But the quality of the old pictures is poor for such details. But you did great job. Congratulations

Thanks Markus!

Have you studied these?

Look at the connection sidepanel/bonnet. You'll see that, for stretching the bonnet, Barbot just welded sheetmetal on top of the original bonnet. You can clearly see the seam.

Count the amount of ribbles.

And now count the ribbles on my bonnet. Note the drilled out spotwelds, this is the place where the extra sheetmetal will be welded on top (as seen on picture 1).

Hard to see but if you look closely between the two headlights and above the grille you can see that there is a slight curve from the bonnet. There is still a 'bumb' on top of the bonnet....... You can't get that bump without a 50tons steel press (or many, really many, hours on an English wheel.....)

nd another one so you can see my bonnet is also verry flat. Just a little bit and I have the right shape...

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